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“They will flip it round” – Den of Wolves (and ex-Payday) builders talk about Payday 3’s shaky launch


Payday 3 is not the explosive hit many people the place anticipating. As of writing, it has a 24-hour Steam peak of 1,489 gamers. That clearly would not take note of these having fun with it on consoles, the Epic Recreation Retailer or Recreation Cross, however, when in comparison with the 27,099 24-hour peak that serves as Payday 2‘s excessive watermark, it paints fairly the image. It is clear to everybody that if the sport will ever attain the heights of its predeccesor, it has a protracted technique to go.

Whereas opinions on the sport are as plentiful because the payments in its banks, there is not any higher group of individuals to quiz with reference to Payday 3 than the choose few builders who created the Payday sequence within the first place. It’s well-known that each Ulf Andersson and Simon Viklund – two thirds of the unique trio who based Overkill – break up from Starbreeze to create model new initiatives like GTFO and the just lately revealed Den of Wolves as a part of 10 Chambers. Of this pair, it was Viklund who shared his ideas on the matter in Unity’s Copenhagen workplaces.

“I performed it one night with Ulf and a few different founders and we had enjoyable!” Viklund begins. “They’re enjoying to their viewers. They’ve this set up base and so they’re giving extra of the identical. It’s been up to date with some mechanics – getting found if you’re in stealth is a bit fuzzier. When the alarm goes off it’s nonetheless full on sausage till you both fail the heist or succeed.”

At this level, Viklund makes a distinction between the Payday sequence and the work that is been happening at 10 Chambers. GTFO was notably a step away from the heist style. Nonetheless a tactical cooperative FPS, positive. However clearly veering into an alternate path to banks and hostages. “Perhaps [Starbreeze] might have innovated extra? It’s enjoying to their strengths and their viewers. It has an enormous viewers! It’s the precise factor to do. It’s powerful to compete with their very own product the way in which that they do. Payday 2 has a lot content material.”

From right here the dialog shifts inevitably in direction of the state of Payday 3 at launch. The sport had fairly the build-up in pleasure from new and outdated followers alike, resulting in an all-time peak of 247,628 gamers on Steam alone. Nevertheless, resulting from server points and quite a lot of different lacklustre elements, this quantity shortly fell. Viklund, whereas overtly sympathetic to the devs who labored on the sport, states this sympathy is on no account bottomless.


It is a laborious lesson discovered – that first impressions are all the things at the moment.

“I don’t really feel unhealthy for them, an excessive amount of. It’s demoralising clearly to work laborious on this sport, launch it, and for it to have 500 gamers. I believe we checked earlier immediately because it occurs. It might sound like we’re checking daily, however we simply occurred to verify! However there have been like 30,000 [players] on Payday 2 on the similar time. I don’t really feel too unhealthy for them, as a result of Payday 2 is their sport. They’re nonetheless making a living from DLC for that sport. So so long as they take that cash and put that in direction of extra content material in Payday 3, they’ll flip it round.”

As regards to the sport’s preliminary server points, and the lack of momentum that got here in consequence additional perception was supplied by Viklund, in addition to communications lead Robin Björkell, who described the state of affairs as “fairly brutal”.

“[It] came across the end line,” Viklund provides. “I believe that they had some points within the beta that they held near launch, and so they didn’t repair that. Or they didn’t have the time to repair that, as a result of that they had already selected the discharge date. That’s powerful. That’s like a pointless beta. Should you don’t count on the beta to be buggy and have sufficient time to repair these potential bugs, it’s form of a window-dressing beta. It’s a advertising factor to get folks [hyped up] greater than it’s an precise testing surroundings.”

At this level, Robin jumps in together with his personal take: “There’s a lot stuff that should work that they possibly weren’t used to. Payday 2 launched simply [on] Steam proper? They’ve by no means finished a cross-platform sport earlier than. There’s a lot that wants to enter that. It’s on Recreation Cross too – what number of gamers does that generate? There are like 30 million Recreation Cross subscribers – so it’s laborious to know what number of would play the sport at launch.”

Regardless of the gentle criticsm, Viklund re-emphasises his total stance of wishing the staff at Starbreeze nicely. “We want them nicely and hope it goes nicely, for positive. Over time as they put content material into Payday 3, it’ll form of shift so folks flip to that sport extra. I assume for individuals who put a whole lot of {dollars} into DLC for Payday 2, it’s laborious to desert all of that to start out enjoying a sport the place you don’t have anything.”

“I’m not wishing that they tank. If they’ve a very good product, which means we’ve to push for a greater product.”


Den of Wolves is the upcoming first individual futuristic heist sport from 10 Chambers. Whereas it has no launch window but, we have spoken to the devs on the company free-for-all the sport will place you in, in addition to how the Metallic Gear Rising composer helps Viklund create a soundtrack “heavier” than Payday.



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