Ralph Tedesco, Zenescope Leisure co-founder, discusses the corporate’s origins & evolution in comics, revealing behind-the-scenes insights.
Ralph Tedesco is the co-founder of Zenescope Leisure, who launched the publishing entity in 2005 along with his companion, Joe Brusha. 18 years later, Ralph has continued to information its success into the world of comics and past. That is the third and closing interview in a collaboration between Popgeeks and WIZARDS The Podcast Information To Comics, exploring the origins and ambitions of the Zenescope model.
Ralph Tedesco: Thanks for having me, guys.
Michael Cannetti: I personally am an enormous fan of Zenescope. I’ve been studying problems with the comedian since 2011 or so. I really went and did a deep dive into all of my comics this night to attempt to discover a few of the earliest points that I used to be studying. So I’m attempting to not nerd out an excessive amount of, as a result of I’m tremendous excited.
Adam Pope: On the opposite aspect, I’ve been studying alongside the way in which.
Michael Cannetti: One of many issues that I’ve been dying to ask you is, what made you need to begin a comic book guide firm or an imprint?
Ralph Tedesco: Nicely, it’s bizarre. We by no means actually went into it with the thought of beginning an imprint. I wouldn’t have been in a position to let you know what an imprint was again then. I simply had this concept to publish a comic book. We have been each struggling screenwriters. I used to be dwelling in Los Angeles, however I’m from Philly and our firm relies in Philly. However my then writing companion, Joe Brusha, who’s now my enterprise companion, talked about to me once I was again visiting for a marriage, “Hey, what are you aware about comedian books?” And I actually I knew nothing about comedian books. I didn’t actually learn them rising up. It simply wasn’t one thing I acquired into for some purpose. I watched the Superman motion pictures and stuff like that, however I didn’t know a lot.
So he was like, “Nicely, you will have this concept. What for those who wrote and revealed your personal comedian guide? And perhaps if we publish one thing good, we will attempt to flip right into a film.” It was a really naive means of issues. We have been in our mid-20’s then. I used to be like, “Nicely, I don’t know something about superheroes. I don’t suppose I can write superhero stuff. It’s simply not my cup of tea. They’ve already executed every little thing.” And he was like, “ No. Go watch Street To Perdition and A Historical past Of Violence. These sorts of motion pictures have been out round that point. And I used to be like, “Oh, these are based mostly on comedian books?” I assumed, I can write stuff like that.
However we additionally had an concept for Grimm Fairy Tales, which was so simple as it could actually get. Take the unique fairy tales after which make them MORE. We wished to show them into The Twilight Zone episodes or Tales from the Crypt. We’re huge Tales From The Crypt followers. So I used to be like, “Why don’t we take the unique fairy tales, that are darkish already, flip them on their ear, and we will simply give you these one pictures?” I like enjoyable, twisted tales and nobody was actually doing that. You’d suppose that that already been executed, nevertheless it wasn’t being executed. And so we simply did it. We simply have been like, “Let’s rent an artwork studio. Let’s rent an artist. We acquired Al Rio. If you happen to guys don’t know his work, he handed away years again. However he was a fantastic artist. He did this iconic Pink Driving Hood, an grownup Pink Driving Hood, within the woods, in a nightie and it was such an iconic cowl. I knew instantly THAT was the quilt. You didn’t see something like that earlier than and I simply knew it was gonna be superior.
Lengthy story brief, we revealed this primary situation, however didn’t understand how a lot publishing was going to price. We didn’t know what we’re gonna do after we printed 10,000 copies earlier than we had a distributor. We went to a ComicCon in 2005 at Wizard World ComicCon Philadelphia and arrange a sales space and I had my girlfriend on the time and some of her buddies costume up in cosplay. We have been the sales space with the new babes, proper? Even Seth Inexperienced got here by the sales space and was hanging out with us. as a result of we had these cute women there. And we offered out! We introduced like, I don’t know, perhaps 1,500 copies, one thing like that. We offered all of them. And we acquired Diamond to select us up that weekend. We have been now in Diamond [the Diamond Distributors Catalog] and we have been like, “Nicely, are we publishing or now?” We had the corporate identify and we have been type of pondering of going via Picture. There was once an organization known as Speakeasy Comics. They have been like Picture, however they didn’t final. Then after we acquired Diamond, we have been like, “Let’s simply do our personal imprint.” That was the way it began. In order that was a protracted winded option to reply your query.
Adam Pope: One factor I actually need to find out about, is simply the identify, Zenescope. That basically will get folks’s consideration. I heard at one level that a number of corporations in the course of the unbiased comics increase have been attempting to begin their firm with an A, or begin with a D or an M, in order that they have been close to DC or Marvel within the Diamond catalog. However you guys went to the tip of the alphabet. Why Zenescope?
Ralph Tedesco: It was a cheerful accident. If you happen to look it up, you’ll see a billion corporations with “A” names, it’s type of hilarious. As a result of they need to be within the entrance of the catalog. Actually, all people tells us to give you a extremely good story however, we simply favored the phrase. Joe was caught on the phrase “scope”. He wished this “scope” in there. I bear in mind he was brainstorming, and he saved going, “You recognize, like Interscope Data?” after which I used to be simply throwing out random different names and “Zen” is like this steadiness or probably the most harmonious. It was like “Zen” and “scope” after which Joe was similar to, “That’s it!” So it’s “Zen” and “scope” with the “e” within the center. And he’s like, “Yeah, let’s do it. I’ve a fantastic concept for the brand. It’s a dragon after which you will have the “S” within the dragon’s tail.”
Michael Cannetti: So one of many issues that I discover actually cool about Zenescope is that it focuses on heroes that, for lack of a greater time period, symbolize feminine empowerment, whereas additionally leaning into typical archetypes. Robyn Hood is similar to a Inexperienced Arrow sort. Or Belle who’s type of like a youthful Batman or Nightwing type of a personality. While you have been mapping out the universe within the early days, did you got down to create archetype type characters or simply wished to lean into extra of the Grimm Fairy Tales, like Snow White and that type of stuff?
Ralph Tedesco: Oh, we had it ALL discovered and mapped out [Laughs] No, we developed very organically. Early on, we didn’t even take into consideration a shared universe, that wasn’t even a thought initially. Not till we began publishing the Return To Wonderland collection, which actually took off and was a a lot totally different tone than Grimm Fairy Tales, that’s after we began to suppose, “Okay, this may very well be a shared universe.”
Joe had written a script, “Neverland”, it was a screenplay, nevertheless it wasn’t completed and he wished to show it into a comic book guide. It has Pan and he’s the evil vampire sort being, who lives off of kids’s souls principally. The nice man is a homeless beggar in New York with one arm and the hook, who has to enter Neverland and save these youngsters. He’s the one child who ever escaped Neverland. So we twisted this Neverland mythology.
Michael Cannetti: I like that concept. If you happen to take a look at it, you’ll be able to see the flip and the place Peter Pan may very well be really be the villain and that he’s taking these kids.
Ralph Tedesco: I bear in mind early on, our leisure managers, who have been repping us have been like, “You may’t kill youngsters.” However these days they’re killing youngsters on a regular basis [Laughs]
However with Wonderland we’re like, “Oh, we will create this universe. What if these realms are totally different dimensions that encompass our personal, that we simply can’t see, however they coexist with Earth?” And and it was actually a pure factor the place we had reinvented all these fairytale characters, usually feminine. We didn’t set out with this agenda. It was form of extra simply reinventing fairy tales, the place your protagonists are usually going to be females. So we began developing with methods to show every little thing. In order that was form of the way it the way it began. Very organically, unintentionally in a number of methods after which we began to map issues out extra and get extra into creating the universe. Then it developed from one factor, till now it’s like this shared universe. It’s a little bit extra superhero now. It has a vibe of Marvel, like fairy story characters as Marvel heroes in a means that, initially after we began an organization, I used to be like, “Oh, I’m not gonna write that stuff.” However now’s what we do. However it’s not ALL we do. You recognize? We do a number of horror stuff. We’re really independently financing a function, we simply shot that we’re doing an anthology type. That is the primary brief movie of that anthology.
Michael Cannetti: Did you write it your self?
Ralph Tedesco: On that one, I didn’t. I wrote one in every of them that we’re going to be capturing. We employed a author/director, who directed the primary one and Joe and I are producing it. So we have been capturing over nights in LA, a pair weeks in the past. We needed to do it non-union due to the strikes. We acquired these actors which might be actually, actually good too.
Michael Cannetti: There’s so many of those tales that actually you can rip the pages proper out and convert them right into a screenplay very quickly. They’re all very effectively thought out. The pacing is at all times phenomenal. I used to be telling Adam just lately that one in every of my favourite books of the final two years is Man Goat and The Bunny Man. It’s such an insane story, nevertheless it’s wonderful.
Ralph Tedesco: Yeah, that was me, Joe and Dave, at a narrative convention throughout COVID, simply locked in a room down on the Jersey Shore. Joe threw that on the market, it was in his little pocket book. He’s like, “Let’s do one thing bizarre” and I used to be like, “Okay” and he’s like, “What about Man Goat and the Bunny Man?” after which we simply began working with these concepts. We outlined the primary situation that evening after which Joe wrote it and it was simply off to the races. That was one of the crucial profitable books, now we have revealed.
Michael Cannetti: You couldn’t maintain it on the cabinets in comedian outlets, folks have been shopping for all of the variant covers, second printings, they only wished this story. And it was so good. It was so enjoyable.
Adam Pope: By way of this collection of interviews, I’ve really been studying and realizing what’s behind the covers and that this isn’t all that you simply guys are about. So I actually loved the tales I’ve learn. I believe you guys have a top quality editorial workers main you in an fascinating course. However what additionally units you guys aside is that you simply aren’t doing years and years of month-to-month titles. You might be doing these story arcs that could be three points, could be six points after which they are often collected right into a commerce. Did that come from a acutely aware alternative of claiming “Nobody needs to take a seat via 12 points or learn for months and months”? How did that develop?
Ralph Tedesco: Yeah, we began realizing that the longer a collection goes on, the extra readers you’re going to lose over time. So we began doing extra 4 and 5 situation collection and now we’re doing much more of the one-shot points. Typically they’re 36 pages, typically they’re 48 pages and typically they’re 72 pages. As a result of we began realizing that every time we revealed a particular situation that was 48 pages, these would promote as a lot because the 22 pagers typically. It’s the Netflix concept, the binging concept. No one needs to look at their TV exhibits week to week anymore. Folks actually don’t need to learn month to month anymore. 20 years in the past, certain, however now every little thing’s instantaneous for us. We’re spoiled as hell, I’d say.
So perhaps it’s $7.99 for a difficulty, however it’s 72 pages. So that you’re getting a mini graphic novel and also you’re ending a complete arc. So it’s loads simpler to digest. I believe for folks it feels such as you’re getting extra bang to your buck. I imply, let’s say you’re promoting comics for $3.99 at 22 pages every, versus a 72 pager, it simply makes extra sense. It’s more durable as a result of it is advisable work out extra forward of time and also you want artists to have the ability to work rapidly. If an artist is doing 72 pages, that’s a giant dedication for him to do 72 straight pages. So we prefer to experiment with the totally different size and codecs, however Grimm Fairy Tales is an ongoing that’s been revealed month to month for 18 years, most likely one of many longest working or THE longest working within the comedian on the market.
Michael Cannetti: What’s cool about them, although, is that they’re form of like gateways. You purchase one and say, “Oh, that’s cool”, then go to the subsequent one shot, and so forth, and so forth. You’re studying extra in regards to the character that you simply’re studying, whether or not it’s Belle or Van Helsing or no matter. It form of evolves your data, versus having a six or twelve situation arc of one thing and also you’re similar to, “All proper, points 4 via seven are type of throw away.” Every one is form of fascinating and totally different, based mostly on the villain that they’re going through and the way in which you twist sure villains. And since it’s one artist doing a lot of the work within the guide, if not all of it, it stays constant. It’s not like three or 4 totally different folks leaping onto the guide, and also you’re like, “Nicely, I used to be paying for this man to do the artwork…”
Ralph Tedesco: And that can occur it doesn’t matter what you do typically, sadly. However we’ve been constant find a very good steady of artists and now we’re working with a number of the identical guys, who we all know are dependable. That took a very long time to get to that time, working with the proper inside artists who’re devoted and who’re actually quick {and professional}.
Michael Cannetti: I wished to ask that query. You’ve gotten a really loyal workers of writers, creators, artists cowl artists that like to create be just right for you guys. How do you suppose you create an atmosphere the place it’s welcoming for them to let their imaginations go wild and have enjoyable with it?
Ralph Tedesco: Some artists are like, “I can’t stand working for thus and so as a result of they provide me 400 notes on a canopy”. They’re both attempting to be perfectionist themselves and get the quilt excellent are overanalyzing it, or they’re simply being a ache within the ass to be show that they’re the person, proper? So I believe we’re fairly good with that and we’re fairly easygoing. We received’t give notes. I was the editor in chief of the corporate, however now I moved into a distinct a part of the corporate, as a result of I’d have been pulling my hair out, as a result of it’s such a such a tricky gig. It’s a thankless gig that David Wohl now has to hold. We all know what we like and we might be powerful, however when you’re in with us and we all know that you simply’re knowledgeable, we all know that what you’re doing, then we type of allow you to allow you to go.
Michael Cannetti: Each comedian firm now’s into the multiverse they usually’re leaning so closely into it. However Zenescope makes use of what they name the Realms. Are you able to type of clarify the Realms to those who could not know what that’s?
Ralph Tedesco: I touched on it a bit of bit earlier. The concept was that the realms have been alternate dimensions. There’s Earth, which is the nexus, Wonderland, Neverland, OZ and Myst, which is the one one you’ve most likely by no means heard of. So all these worlds exist past our personal, we simply can’t see them. Then there’s these beings which might be both from Earth or they’re from one in every of these different dimensions, that will have heightened skills on this world, or throughout all the scale or simply of their dimension. There’s Highborns. There’s a complete mythology behind every little thing.
So our important character Sela Mathers, who was form of our model of the Cryptkeeper early on in Grimm fairy tales, she would present up early on and she or he would hand any individual the fairytale guide and they’d be taught a lesson and that was just like the early goings of the Grimm fairy tales. It was like Tales from the Crypt meets fairy tales. Sela then developed into this Highborn character that was the guardian of the Nexus. So she was the Earth Guardian and she or he may cross into the opposite realms. She was the protector of Earth in opposition to these enemies from these different dimensions. Then all these different characters like Belle, Robyn Hood, and Hellchild, a plethora of our feminine characters all have their place inside these dimensions, relying on who they’re. That’s form of a basic concept of the the realms. It’s only a cool means of bringing in these different beings, so when now we have these fairytales and mythologies in our world, that’s as a result of these locations do exist.
Adam Pope: Going again to the start, speaking about being a screenwriter and hoping to interrupt in that means. You mentioned that you simply weren’t essentially seeking to get into comics and now you will have stayed in comics for all these years, developing on 20 years. What have you ever discovered in regards to the comics business, about fandom and about making comics? What’s it that excites you and retains you doing this?
Ralph Tedesco: I’ve a few TV author buddies which have written comics for us. One in every of them, she’s really develop into a giant comedian guide author now too. Her identify is Latoya Morgan. She writes for Growth! loads now, however her first comedian guide she wrote for us. She was a fan of ours early on and we simply had develop into buddies via a basic assembly in Hollywood. She simply cherished comics and she or he had been writing for large TV collection and she or he wished write a comic book and I’m like, “It doesn’t pay effectively. Let’s simply get that out of the way in which. We don’t have that type of finances or we’d be out of enterprise.” And she or he’s like, “I don’t care, as a result of individuals are studying it.”
While you’re making a TV collection otherwise you’re writing it and developing with the world of your TV collection or pitch and even writing a screenplay, it’s wonderful, proper? It feels nice to have that written. However the probabilities of that getting made are so slim. It’s so exhausting, so exhausting to get a TV collection made. It occurs on a regular basis. However there’s 1000’s and 1000’s of writers that write all this stuff or give you these nice concepts and ideas that they pitch to studios, that by no means get picked up and by no means get made and nobody will ever see these concepts on TV. In function movies, there are scripts in all places which were written, that by no means acquired produced. What I like about it’s, I do know that it doesn’t matter what I write, I’m going to have an viewers for them. Anyone’s going to learn it. Anyone like Michael. For me, what’s cool is figuring out I’ve an viewers. I do know there’s haters, and there’s individuals who won’t ever learn a Zenescope Comedian and haven’t any inkling to and would suppose we’re only a T&An organization and that’s positive. So long as I do know now we have our followers which might be into it.
Latoya hit on that after which my buddy Kevin, who’s a TV author, mentioned the identical factor. It by no means dawned on me why I loved this as a lot as I’ve, nevertheless it offers me the flexibility to create The Courier. It’s a universe I created. There’s solely two collection out and I’m hoping to wrap it up with a 3rd one finally. However I created this world, on this universe that in any other case wouldn’t have ever been seen the sunshine of day with out a number of luck, proper? If I wrote that as a screenplay and I used to be working with Bradley Cooper’s firm for some time attempting to develop it as a screenplay.
Michael Cannetti: I believe there’s some form of Courier film on the market. It’s loosely based mostly in your comedian…
Ralph Tedesco: I hope not, as a result of they by no means paid me.
Michael Cannetti: Nicely she’s additionally on a bike and it appears loads like her.
Ralph Tedesco: It got here out a pair years after the comedian. I bear in mind seeing a trailer and I used to be like, “That’s annoying”.
Michael Cannetti: I watched about 10 minutes of it and I turned it off. I used to be like, this isn’t the comedian in any respect.
Ralph Tedesco: So to reply your query, a minimum of now we have folks studying our stuff. A minimum of once I create one thing I do know it’s not simply going to be in my head. As a result of I’ve written scripts that I like and I’m very connected to. Me and my buddy wrote a comedy collectively years again of “Laser Boys”, which is a couple of laser tag. It’s like Dodgeball with laser tag. We predict is the funniest factor ever, however I do know the probabilities of it getting made are this slim. However I imply, proper now for comics I do know we’ll have some form of viewers, in order that’s cool.
Michael Cannetti: My two favourite characters are Pink Agent, who’s a Highborn hybrid of Little Pink Driving Hood and the wolf mixed. It’s acquired like a bit of little bit of a James Bond vibe to it. My different favourite, by far is Belle. She’s kind of human and doesn’t actually have a number of superpowers, however she’s grown up on this legacy of searching down demons and monsters. These comedian books actually impression me. I purchase these books over DC and Marvel and Picture as a result of I benefit from the characters and this totally different universe with totally different storytelling. Are there different tales you suppose you’re going to be attempting to have optioned for motion pictures or tv?
Ralph Tedesco: That’s an ongoing course of, to be trustworthy. That’s one thing that once I left the editor-in-chief position behind, that was after we acquired Van Helsing on air, which was nothing just like the comedian guide. They simply purchased the comedian as a result of they favored this concept of a feminine Van Helsing. I don’t even suppose they learn the guide. In order that they modified every little thing. That’s once I type of acquired extra concerned and built-in into any of our future diversifications to ensure it was a bit of bit extra near what we have been doing. Through the years we’ve had stuff optioned a number of instances and developed a number of instances. I’ve one thing proper now at Display Gems, which we’ve introduced, which is a guide that you simply may not even have learn, known as Paradise Courtroom. It’s a deep minimize, horror title we revealed and that they optioned. So we’re engaged on that with Display Gems. We had a fantastic screenwriter after which there was a strike as quickly as he acquired employed. We’re engaged on a Man Goat and the Bunny Man TV collection proper now. We’re engaged on Monster Hunter Survival Information…
Michael Canetti: You had a cool three situation horrors collection known as Possessive…
Ralph Tedesco: Oh, yeah. Possessive by Adam Goldberg, the creator of The Goldbergs.
Michael Cannetti: That might be a fantastic collection as effectively. It’s humorous. It’s quirky…
Ralph Tedesco: So Adam created the TV present The Goldbergs. He’s from Joe’s hometown. I grew up 10 minutes from Joe, however Adam and Joe grew up like actually like two blocks away from one another. However they by no means knew one another rising up. All of us met as a result of there was a author named Hans Rodionoff, who wrote our collection known as Conspiracy. He works with out Adam, they’re writing companions. So we met Adam, we went on the set of Goldberg sooner or later and acquired to hang around. Adam is a large fanboy. He would dwarf any of our collections. They pitched us that idea like, “What if there was like this nasty poltergeist ghost haunting this home and killing folks, however there was such a loser that lived there, that the ghost nearly took pity on him they usually fell in love and began to bang?” It’s hilarious. It’s wonderful. It’s a horror-comedy. We revealed it they usually’re really writing the script for it. Though it was Adam Goldberg, who’s created an enormous TV collection and he’s additionally the creator of the brand new Muppets TV collection. It doesn’t matter. It’s exhausting to get one thing made. So hopefully we get that made or we get some warmth with that. However that’s one thing we imply to provide as a function.
Adam Pope: As we shut out, I do need to ask about one thing I give Michael a tough time for, although I do know higher higher now. Variant covers are a part of the enterprise, each writer is doing it now. Marvel is getting J. Scott Campbell to attract attractive covers of Mary Jane, he’s drawn covers for you. Why do you suppose you guys have a stigma on some degree, whereas Marvel or DC don’t, when they’re doing the identical factor?
Ralph Tedesco: I believe as a result of after we got here out, the business was on this like lull. I didn’t know something earlier than I began the corporate. I wasn’t that man within the 90’s, who knew something about attractive Unhealthy Lady covers. However I knew that there was form of a bubble and that it burst within the mid to late 90’s after which it died. Then no one was actually doing it on the time. Once we got here on the scene and we simply went full fledged with it as a result of it made sense. As soon as we acquired these Al Rio covers, these issues have been simply flying off cabinets. I believe it was the idea of, “Oh, these are fairy tales they usually’re attractive” and we simply ran with that idea. We’re doing so many fairy story feminine characters too as a result of we knew what the demographic was, particularly then. Now you’re seeing extra feminine readers, which is hilarious, as a result of we might get females coming to our sales space and going, “Nicely I’ve been right here on the con with my boyfriend and bored as hell and I noticed your your books and I had to purchase them, as a result of they have been superior trying.” They have been referring to the fairy story side of the guide. Then they might see the attractive covers and they’d begin to flip the web page and be like, “Oh wait, these women are kick ass. They’re not like they’re on the covers, their boobs aren’t falling out they usually’re not bare. They’re simply badass chicks.” However again then we knew the demographic was males and it skewed older. It wasn’t younger males. The comedian guide reader demo was at all times like 25 to 55. It wasn’t ever 13 to 22, it wasn’t that.
These days you see corporations blatantly rip off what we do, simply to get covers offered. I’m not going to call names, however I CAN identify many names. It’s the identical guys who would rip us in a second, who hate us. So it’s type of humorous. Like the opposite publishers on this business, there’s some actually bizarre hatred for each other or a minimum of towards us. For some time, it was anti-sexy in just like the mid-2000’s, however particularly 2011, 2012, 2013 it began turning into like this vitriol, particularly on Twitter you can see it. Not likely as a lot anymore. I believe folks have realized like, that the tremendous bizarre agenda of attempting to cancel us for having attractive covers is perhaps over, a minimum of for now.
However for those who see any any attractive cowl, that’s not even ours. It’ll be like, “Oh, that is Zenescope blah, blah, blah.” And it may very well be the worst cowl that we might by no means publish. I’ll see one thing that’s type of horrible paintings, with the boobs out they usually’d be like, “Oh, it have to be Zenescope.” I used to get irritated, however then I’m like, wait now we have a branding factor. Like we’re recognized. That’s what folks need to affiliate us, with any form of attractive cowl. It’s fascinating. So now it simply is what it’s. It doesn’t have an effect on me anymore. I used to get irritated by it. I used to tweet folks again and say stuff, however then I’m like, “What am I doing? Who cares?” In the event that they need to affiliate Zenescope with something, it’s a very good factor. Any press is sweet press, largely. So it’s a type of issues I can’t clarify. However we’ve develop into form of just like the Playboy of comics, perhaps it’s the Maxim? I don’t perceive it, however it’s what it’s, as a result of we aren’t the one firm doing it. Perhaps the Maxim, as a result of we’re the most important firm that’s doing it as constantly as we’re and we don’t run from it. We’re not hiding from it.
There’s been loads of comedian corporations earlier than us that simply did boobies on the quilt, or a horny cowl and you then open it up and it was most likely trash, I’m certain. I do know now there’s cowl publishers that simply publish attractive covers after which they faux they’ve some form of story inside. I’ve learn it learn a few them. And I’m like they’re unreadable. However it’s a part of the business. So I perceive it, the place any individual will simply actually choose a guide by its cowl. So we attempt to get out the message and the branding of like, “Hey, come for the protection to remain for the tales”, as a result of we strive it we actually do take pleasure within the tales we’re telling.
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